HomeMy WebLinkAboutRE: Impacts to Private Well
Mike Plane
From:Lee Glaesemann
Sent:Friday, June 30, 2023 09:56
To:Josh Baird
Cc:Robert Bohling; Nathan Erickson; Jeff Malina; Erin Steel; Kristi Fehringer; Troy Vitek
Subject:RE: Impacts to Private Well
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I would rather not be part of the negotiation, but will if necessary.
Once something is agreed to and funding is identified, engineering can work with the Water Dept. to make it happen. If
right of way dedication is agreed to, we can work through the legal docs.
There are a couple additional items to keep in mind.
As described below, I don’t know how deep rock is going across that tract or how deep it is on the west side of the
coulee. If it is less than 3ft below the surface, it will affect the cost, that’s why I recommended doing some potholing
beforehand. The property owner might have some anecdotal info on how deep it is to rock on his property that could
be helpful. I might be a little more worried about this than I should be, but I am concerned. As you know, rock can get
crazy expensive fast.
Another item is that I don’t think we want anything to do with connecting the service to his existing piping. He should
have to hire a plumber to make that connection and appropriately disconnect his well from his service. It’s outside of
City limits, so that connection would have to be inspected by the state plumbing inspector. Additionally, our water
department would also want to confirm that the well has been disconnected before they would turn on the water. I’ve
never been involved with the logistics of that, but I believe they’ve had to do that many times before.
Lastly, I’m not sure how we would have the line inspected after the meter. Across the tract is City, but then it crosses
into the county, so it’s two jurisdictions. It shouldn’t be a big thing, but it adds a little complexity. I think Nathan is
dealing with a similar situation?
Lee
From: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 6:04 PM
To: Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
Lee,
This is perfect! You’ve provided us everything I think we need to sit down and discuss it with him. Should you be the
Engineering contact when we sit down and meet with him to discuss this? Thanks again!
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Joshua R. Baird
public works director | city of twin falls
phone: (208) 736-2274
jbaird@tfid.org
From: Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2023 5:28 PM
To: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
I don’t know exactly how we would connect to the water line to their house, but it appears that the service from the
main in Sundown way to their house would be about 300 ft.
Since this isn’t mainline work, I don’t believe this has anything to do with DEQ. It’s basically a city service tap, meter,
and a service to a house.
The shortest route would require trenching across “Tract 6” of the Magic Valley Ranch Subdivision. I first assumed that
we might have to obtain an easement across the tract, but according to the plat:
“Tract 6 is open space reserved for landscaping, utilities, and storm water retention, and will be maintained by
the Magic Valley Homeowners Association.”
I don’t think we need an easement, but we should probably touch bases with the homeowners association. Bill Carberry
lives on Sundown Way, so he might be a connection there.
There is a lot of rock out there. I remember they had to blast to install sewer down Sommer Street, so we would
probably want to do some test holes to make sure we can get bury depth across the Tract. I’m fairly certain we will have
rock crossing the Coulee.
We will want to make sure that the TF Canal Co gives us approval to cross the Coulee.
Outside of irrigation season, we would need to rock hammer across the coulee and install a 20 ft. C900 sleeve centered
on the coulee for the service line. The sleeve should be 3ft below the bottom of the coulee and we should cap it with
concrete all the way up to match the bottom of the coulee. A 4 inch sleeve should be fine, but I don’t know if 4” C900 is
readily available. When we run the poly through the sleeve we need to use a fernco or something to seal the ends.
I made a quick assumption that to put in a 20’ stick of pvc, we would need to rock hammer a trench around 26ft x 3ft x
3ft. Conservatively, that would be about ~9CY of rock and 9 CY of concrete. Assuming rock is $300/cy and concrete is
$200/cy, it would cost around $4500.
Our current 1” service line, meter, and installation fee is $2,507.44. A 1.5” service line is $3,377.88. I haven’t ran any
calcs, but depending on the pressure loss on ~300ft of poly, a 1.5” service might be warranted. The only drawback
would be the extra volume of water in the line, so we would want to look at that closer to see which would be preferred.
If we did all the work ourselves, it looks like we could be around $10,000, but I did not look at the cost of all that poly,
the C900 sleeve and Fernco’s or other misc. I’m also not sure how or where we would tie to the house waterline or how
the well would be isolated from our service. I’m guessing $15,000 would cover it.
One opportunity we might want to look at is right of way on highway 74. If this house ends up becoming a little isolated
farm house, I would hate to have to purchase right of way to widen the road or install a future 20” water main. It might
be a good idea to try to get right of way if we were to provide the service line. If so, we would probably want to pay for
a survey and legal description. We recently entered into an agreement with a surveyor to perform a record of survey
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and prepare a legal description for the water dept ground south of the low line canal and that ran around $5,000, so
similar work for the farmhouse should be less than that. I’m not sure if it would be half or not, but $2.5k to $5k could be
the range.
Lee
From: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:51 PM
To: Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
Thanks everyone for all the help thus far!
Could engineering do a quick review and analysis of a new service line crossing under the coulee and determine what
would need to be done to make it happen? I’m assuming DEQ would need to be buy off on the design and approve
plans. I don’t think we need a long formal design, but determine necessary easements, requirements from DEQ, etc;
enough to estimate an approximate cost so we could go back to the owner with this option?
Joshua R. Baird
public works director | city of twin falls
phone: (208) 736-2274
jbaird@tfid.org
From: Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 4:19 PM
To: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
Here’s a copy of the drawing that Rob sent in a separate email showing the Well#4 connection. I’ve also attached the
“As-Built” from Magic Valley Ranches and a capture of the general area for everyone’s reference.
It looks like the nearest potable line is stubbed out over at Sommer St. about 300 ft. east of the coulee.
It’s my understanding that the subdivision to the west was able to make their potable water network work without
having to make the mainline connection from their subdivision to the stub-out at Sommer.
Lee
From: Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 11:53 AM
To: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
At this time there is no plan for development on the property directly north of this house. That property is owned by an
individual that plans on building a house.
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From: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 10:16 AM
To: Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
I would anticipate a special agreement. However, it seems it could be better than paying for a new well and pump just
for that property owner and would be a long-term solution. Is there a subdivision directly north of his property in some
phase of development that we could potentially tie into? Or is there some easement on the west side of the Coulee
where we could tie into the existing waterline on the north side? We can have out Water Department go out and check
to see if those lines out in SH 74 are truly there or not. However, Rob tells me that if that line is there, it is untreated
water; hasn’t been chlorinated or gone through the process to reduce arsenic. So likely, that isn’t an option…
Joshua R. Baird
public works director | city of twin falls
phone: (208) 736-2274
jbaird@tfid.org
From: Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:14 AM
To: Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>; Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
My only fear is this looks to be outside City limits which would take a special agreement of the council to serve the
property. Ie we have the right to send them a water bill even though they are not in our jurisdiction and they agree to
pay it.
Troy Vitek PE
City Engineer | City of Twin Falls
tvitek@tfid.org
phone: (208) 735-7273
From: Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2023 8:10 AM
To: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
Good Morning All,
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Based on the location of the house it appears that our options are pretty limited. If we install a water service off of
Sundown Way, the service line to the house will have to cross the coulee.
I see that the image, included in this email, shows a 12” main extending past the pumphouse to the west in front of
Dave’s property. Has that 12” main been verified? I ask because I do not have that section of main in my Cad maps. As-
Builts for Magic Valley Ranch doesn’t show that extending past the pumphouse. If that line is really there, I’m assuming
it is a dry line.
That’s my two cents.
From: Josh Baird <JBaird@tfid.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2023 2:11 PM
To: Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>; Erin
Steel <esteel@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
Kristi,
As requested, his name is Dave Hansen, (208) 731-5619. The home is located at 480 Highway 74. Thanks!
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Joshua R. Baird
public works director | city of twin falls
phone: (208) 736-2274
jbaird@tfid.org
From: Josh Baird
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 11:24 AM
To: Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>
Subject: RE: Impacts to Private Well
Engineering team,
I haven’t back from anyone yet on this item. Could someone investigate it so we can formulate a response back to
Dave? If we need to set up a quick meeting, I can arrange that. Thanks!
Joshua R. Baird
public works director | city of twin falls
phone: (208) 736-2274
jbaird@tfid.org
From: Josh Baird <jbaird@tfid.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 3, 2023 1:41 PM
To: Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Lee Glaesemann <Lglaesemann@tfid.org>; Kristi Fehringer <KFehringer@tfid.org>
Cc: Robert Bohling <Rbohling@tfid.org>; Nathan Erickson <nerickson@tfid.org>; Jeff Malina <Jmalina@tfid.org>
Subject: Impacts to Private Well
Engineering team,
Dave Hansen lives just west of South Well #4. This year, he is struggling to get enough water from his well to take care
of regular needs (showering, laundry, etc.). We (City Management and PW) met with him Friday. He wants us to pay for
him to drill a new well and get a new pump. He also lives near several new subdivision that are not completed. Do you
know the status of these subdivisions and any idea of how/where we could tie him into City water as an alternative to
drilling a new well? Thanks!
Joshua R. Baird
public works director | city of twin falls
phone: (208) 736-2274
jbaird@tfid.org
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