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Home My WebLink AboutFW: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns (2) Mike Plane From:Travis Rothweiler Sent:Tuesday, May 21, 2024 14:54 To:CM-Council Subject:FW: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns FYI Travis Rothweiler, ICMA- CM City Manager City of Twin Falls, Idaho From: Jonathan Spendlove <JSpendlove@tfid.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 2:44 PM To: Jon Victor <JVictor@tfid.org>; Jarrod Bordi <jbordi@tfid.org>; Matthew Long <mlong@tfid.org>; Sam O'Leary <soleary@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Bruce Castleton <bcastleton@tfid.org>; Mitch Humble <Mhumble@tfid.org>; Gretchen Scott <Gscott@tfid.org>; Les Kenworthy <LKenworthy@tfid.org>; Travis Rothweiler <trothweiler@tfid.org> Subject: RE: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns I believe the following information rebuts Mr Roots claims listed in Paragraphs 3 and 4 of his email. 1 Therefore, the fire training location is only accessible by vehicle, and per the 2010 Standards for Titles II and III Facilities: 2004 ADAAG - Chapter 2 Section 206.2.1 Ex. 2 : …“An accessible route shall not be required between site arrival points and the building or facility entrance if the only means of access between them is a vehicular way not providing pedestrian access.”… Confirming what Sam already shared below: Victory Ave does not have sidewalks installed as it is located within an M2 Zoning District (Per City Code 10-11-5-B-1-a.). -Jonathan Spendlove From: Jon Victor <JVictor@tfid.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 1:18 PM To: Jarrod Bordi <jbordi@tfid.org>; Matthew Long <mlong@tfid.org>; Sam O'Leary <soleary@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Jonathan Spendlove <JSpendlove@tfid.org>; Bruce Castleton <bcastleton@tfid.org>; Mitch Humble <Mhumble@tfid.org>; Gretchen Scott <Gscott@tfid.org>; Les Kenworthy <LKenworthy@tfid.org>; Travis Rothweiler <trothweiler@tfid.org> Subject: RE: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns City team, 2 I will respond to the items covering accessibility requirements/concerns by Mr. Root…  An accessible route has been provided from the building entrance to the right of way via the asphalt driveway. The code does not require a sidewalk to serve as the accessible route.  Per IBC section 1111.1(1) Where the total number of parking spaces provided is 4 or less, identification of accessible parking spaces is not required. The space has to be provided, but not marked.  Pg. C2.01 shows the correct width of the parking stall (if it were required to be marked). Yes, we do have an incorrect detail 10 pg. C2.50. I reached out last night to Clint Sievers with Pivot North and he is looping in Tad and Eric from the Landgroup for a resolution. Per code, the signage is not required, but the signage should be code compliant if provided. I have asked for a revision to the striping and the wall sign.  The ICC A117.1-2009 code section 502.4 only requires the access isle to be located on the passenger side when the parking spaces are angled.  Sheets C2.02 and L1.00 are not included in the drawing index. Please feel free to reach out to me should you need further clarification into these code requirements or my explanation above. Respectfully, Jon Victor Building & Mechanical Plans Examiner 208-735-7291 nd City Hall (2 floor) 203 Main Ave. E. Twin Falls, ID 83301 Revision/Change Orders send to bsdpermits@tfid.org Online permit PORTAL From: Jarrod Bordi <jbordi@tfid.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 8:13 AM To: Jon Victor <JVictor@tfid.org> Subject: Fwd: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone Get Outlook for Android From: Sam O'Leary <soleary@tfid.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 8:08:56 AM To: Jarrod Bordi <jbordi@tfid.org>; Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Lisa Porter <LPorter@tfid.org> Subject: RE: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns Good Morning All, Just some notes for the items provided in the previous emails.  The 11’ parking stall with 5’ unloading zone is acceptable. Per our ADA training course, the vehicle can be backed in. 3  This property is in the M2 zone (manufacturing zone). The M2 zone does not mandate sidewalk, only curb and gutter.  Since no sidewalk is required in the M2 zone, there is not a route to guide a pedestrian to for a long distance. So I am unsure how an accessible route to the right-of-way would be beneficial here.  Typically, the accessible parking space is reviewed by building when they look for the accessible route to the building. o The conflicting detail on the civil sheets was not caught. The 9’ should be 11’ to be ADA compliant. The layout is acceptable either way. If you have any questions on this, let me know. Thank you, Samantha M. O’Leary, E.I.T. Staff Engineer 1 City of Twin Falls (208) 735-7323 soleary@tfid.org Submit Commercial Permit Revisions & Change Orders To: bsdpermits@tfid.org Engineering Inspection Line: (208) 735-3446 Submit Engineering Inspection Reports To: engineeringinspectors@tfid.org From: Jarrod Bordi <jbordi@tfid.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2024 4:36 AM To: Troy Vitek <tvitek@tfid.org>; Sam O'Leary <soleary@tfid.org>; Lisa Porter <LPorter@tfid.org> Subject: Fw: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns Importance: High From: Travis Rothweiler Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 4:26 PM To: Matthew Long; Jarrod Bordi; Jon Victor; Jonathan Spendlove Cc: Bruce Castleton; Les Kenworthy; Gretchen Scott; Mitch Humble; Bruce Castleton Subject: FW: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns All, 4 Good afternoon. The email below was sent to the members of the City Council. Do you have anything that you can add to the conversation? Travis Rothweiler, ICMA- CM City Manager City of Twin Falls, Idaho From: Grayson Stone <gstone@tfid.org> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 4:23 PM To: Travis Rothweiler <trothweiler@tfid.org> Subject: Fw: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns From: Trevor <trevorroot@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 1:23 PM To: Ruth Pierce; Jason Brown; Chris Reid; Craig Hawkins; Spencer Cutler; Cherie Vollmer; Grayson Stone Subject: Fire Training Building Accessibility Concerns \[EXTERNAL SENDER\] Council, On the agenda for tonight is a vote on the fire training facility. After a cursory review of the approved City plans, I have concerns regarding Accessibility and compliance with Federal Laws and City Codes. Please ensure there is somebody at the City that is designated for ensuring City-constructed facilities meet all Federal, State, and Local laws regarding Accessibility. For example, The Architectural Sheets show a Van-Accessible parking space with an access aisle on the passenger side. The Civil Sheets show a Non-Van-Accessible parking space with an access aisle on the driver side. The Architectural sheets describe the space as "Disabled Parking" which is in conflict with language in the Idaho State code. Neither sheet provides for signage on a post easily visible at the front of the space, neither sheet specifies the mounting height, and the City should carefully review whether signage on the building face as prescribed by Drawings is compliant with federal code and recognized best practices. It is also not clear that the appropriate number of accessible spaces will be provided. Additionally, it is not clear that there is an accessible egress path to the public right-of-way per the Americans with Disabilities Act, since no sidewalk is shown from the building to Victory Road and pavement cross slopes to the gate exceed 2.08%. Additionally, The Landscaping sheets for the entrance do not show a sidewalk on Victory Road frontage as required by TF Code for a typical 5 street section. Sheets C2.02 and L1.00 are missing from the Approved drawing set. The Council may wish to postpone approval of this project until the Council can be assured that the project is in conformance with Federal, State, and Local codes. 6